Wisdom

cielmer	http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=cielmer&itemid=10772&view=18708#t18708 Am I such a greedy bastard?
robbat2	ok reading that now some input
cielmer	if I knew you were occupied I would not of bothered you.
robbat2	you expected to be invitied to do things? i never get invited for anything in general. i work 3 days a week now chilling out when i'm not working. those who invitied you before think about them they only invited you because you had something they wanted
cielmer	"I had something they wanted?" I used to hang out with the guys at Anime club "Melissa, Clint, Yvonne etc" and it's like...now I don't even talk to them and when I try to do things with them they end up giving me an excuse saying that they are busy and then plan shit around me and go do it. I'd try to organize something but no one wants to do anything with me.
robbat2	stop being greedy. you can't have everything. i'm content with a very minimal number of friends, which, excluding my girlfriend, I only see one of them in person on any regular basis
cielmer	but, I suppose you're right....
robbat2	when exams come around i become incredibly 'popular' because people seek my knowledge then. but it's all a farce
cielmer	I never thought of it that way... I'd hang out with people because they'd be fun to hang out with. Sharing common knoledge with people and recreational activites and the conversing amoungst eachother. I don't know....maybe I was missing everything else....
robbat2	everybody is 'allowed' (and I say this on purpose) to be in group of people, because the others see something they require in you, even if they don't realize it on a concious level.
robbat2	and I know this is a quote of the matrix but it is actually the truth each human being, as a species in general, seek to improve itself, to the detriement of others it's simply survival of the fittest gone quite wrong
cielmer	then I am most likely as bad as everyone else. Mind you I don't really see these things until they are pointed out to me....I am most likely guilty and if I have done or insinuated you in that manner I do apologize.
robbat2	if I claimed my reason were superior intellect, or anything else, i'd be trying to isolate myself from everybody else, but i have truely found that humans seek only their own goals. If they happen to share goals with another, knowingly or not., they form an alliance, or 'friend group'. the buddhist monks saw this as well, and had a master teaching acolytes about what went on
cielmer	It has gone very wrong.... but you have to admit that there are at least some people that aren't like that. They seek a friend simply because they seek a friend.
robbat2	as such, there are only two really stable relationships that are possible between people. i use the term relationship in a broad sense as the two relationship forms are: plutonic relationship, with the master and the acolytes and true love (there is no better term), with a couple (of any orientation) the love relation, firstly, as you have seen with Jenna, works because both sides completely support the other
robbat2	those that seek a friend are looking for components of the love relationship, but not the whole deal
robbat2	amongst the components of the love relationship, the most frequently sought thing I am aware of, is just having somebody to rant to, and speak one's problems.
cielmer	so what Jenna and I have. That would be classified as true love....
robbat2	yes
cielmer	I can honestly say that you and your girlfriend have exactly what Jenna and I have.
robbat2	the second type, plutonic relationships, are very rarely seen in a pure form due to how humans corrupt things, and seek only parts of each things that they consider good for themselves, or they want
cielmer	...and then suddenly it makes total sense...
robbat2	the masses pretending to be my 'friend' before the exams, to gain my knowledge is an example of the corrupted plutonic relationship, where the pretend-acoltyes want just some of the knowledge of the master, only the parts they think they need. like in the karate kid movies, the acoltye does not think he needs to know about waxing the car (wax on, wax off, repeat)
robbat2	even now, you come to me as an acolyte, seeking a facet of knowledge
cielmer	but is it wrong to ask?
robbat2	the problem is not asking, but listening. in that way, you have risen above many others. they ask, but do not listen to the entire answer only the parts that they consider significent you have listened to the entire answer
cielmer	And what about the people you offer advice to that don't listen to you and go off in a conpulsive and illogical manner? Was it all in vain?
robbat2	that is why I seldom offer much advice any more
cielmer	because of the risk people won't even listen?
robbat2	i do not consider it a risk that they won't listen but the sole reason behind me telling them less, is the time it takes
robbat2	the plutonic master gives his knowledge freely when it will be put to good use and fully taken to heart
cielmer	So, in the end, it all comes down to people using you for something in the end...it makes more sense. I guess I can honestly say that I can be bad for that....now that I recall most of the stuff that had happened in the past...
robbat2	everybody is at fault even myself I have used people to further my own ends just like you
cielmer	Then would it make it right and cancel out the fact that it is wrong, or is it wrong and we're just too ignorant or dependant to stop using people?
robbat2	as a species we are too dependant on using other people